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	<title>Comments on: What happened to scaffold in Rails 2.x?</title>
	<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/</link>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-9850</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow! Damn, I'm just sort of dabbling with it. Guys like you are the ones who got totally shafted by this change.

I thought that I'm basically just an annoyed n00b and that the community at large accepted these changes. Now I'm wondering if Rails 2 created some sort of schism, fracturing the Rails community in two.

Are there enough people hating the new Rails to fork the code and back port the good features from Rails 2 without breaking the old behaviors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Damn, I&#8217;m just sort of dabbling with it. Guys like you are the ones who got totally shafted by this change.</p>
<p>I thought that I&#8217;m basically just an annoyed n00b and that the community at large accepted these changes. Now I&#8217;m wondering if Rails 2 created some sort of schism, fracturing the Rails community in two.</p>
<p>Are there enough people hating the new Rails to fork the code and back port the good features from Rails 2 without breaking the old behaviors?
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		<title>by: query_developer</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-9849</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-9849</guid>
					<description>You're right.  Unfortunately more has changed than just removing dynamic scaffolding.  I've spent the last three years developing complex queries, some graphical.
  
Now, after a week of struggling with Rails 2, I've discovered that I can't reuse any of my code.  Adding additional def's to the scaffolding and adding new views simply doesn't work.  

Many of the important plugins don't work either.  For example, the logingenerator worked and could be easily modified to include permissions.

The lack of backward compatibility is a slap in the face to those of us who have spent so much time developing the code that enabled the databases to do amazing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  Unfortunately more has changed than just removing dynamic scaffolding.  I&#8217;ve spent the last three years developing complex queries, some graphical.</p>
<p>Now, after a week of struggling with Rails 2, I&#8217;ve discovered that I can&#8217;t reuse any of my code.  Adding additional def&#8217;s to the scaffolding and adding new views simply doesn&#8217;t work.  </p>
<p>Many of the important plugins don&#8217;t work either.  For example, the logingenerator worked and could be easily modified to include permissions.</p>
<p>The lack of backward compatibility is a slap in the face to those of us who have spent so much time developing the code that enabled the databases to do amazing things.
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		<title>by: Colin W</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-9581</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-9581</guid>
					<description>[quote comment="8040"]spot on! - i am one of those &lt;em&gt;'rails newbies'&lt;/em&gt;, who's been methodically working through the &lt;a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/" rel="nofollow"&gt;sitepoint book&lt;/a&gt;, only to run into this fucking brickwall after 140 pages.[/quote]
I have to say, I couldn't have said it any better. What were they thinking?!

(I support obama, too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="padding-left: 10px;"><strong>madra</strong> said:</span></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-8040"><p>
spot on! - i am one of those <em>&#8216;rails newbies&#8217;</em>, who&#8217;s been methodically working through the <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/" rel="nofollow">sitepoint book</a>, only to run into this fucking brickwall after 140 pages.</p>
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<p>I have to say, I couldn&#8217;t have said it any better. What were they thinking?!</p>
<p>(I support obama, too.)
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		<title>by: Luis</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-9496</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-9496</guid>
					<description>so there's no way to ask politely rails to read the table and the columns? I come from a Java world and let me tell you that this approach sucks as much as all those java crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so there&#8217;s no way to ask politely rails to read the table and the columns? I come from a Java world and let me tell you that this approach sucks as much as all those java crap.
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		<title>by: madra</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-8040</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-8040</guid>
					<description>spot on! - i am one of those &lt;em&gt;'rails newbies'&lt;/em&gt;, who's been methodically working through the &lt;a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/" rel="nofollow"&gt;sitepoint book&lt;/a&gt;, only to run into this fucking brickwall after 140 pages. this is about the fourth time i've promised myself i'll grit my teeth and see learning this rails thing through to the bitter end - and every fucking time *something* comes up which is either completely undocumented, documented wrongly, or involves completely re-installing half the software on my computer just to get rails starting to think about considering the slightest possibility of maybe working a bit.

i'm beginning to think the 'easy' adjective, generally applied to learning rails is some kind of twisted joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spot on! - i am one of those <em>&#8216;rails newbies&#8217;</em>, who&#8217;s been methodically working through the <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/" rel="nofollow">sitepoint book</a>, only to run into this fucking brickwall after 140 pages. this is about the fourth time i&#8217;ve promised myself i&#8217;ll grit my teeth and see learning this rails thing through to the bitter end - and every fucking time *something* comes up which is either completely undocumented, documented wrongly, or involves completely re-installing half the software on my computer just to get rails starting to think about considering the slightest possibility of maybe working a bit.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m beginning to think the &#8216;easy&#8217; adjective, generally applied to learning rails is some kind of twisted joke.
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		<title>by: Jason Arora</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-7935</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/01/16/what-happened-to-scaffold-in-rails-2x/#comment-7935</guid>
					<description>Great post - I agree with every single point you've made.

I was very disappointed to see scaffold removed and replaced with a "generate scaffold" command which adds like 100 files right off the bat.

For a web framework that "makes web development easy", they sure did a good job of frustrating lots of future Rails developers who are just starting.

I would really like to see scaffold added back to official release, but if it hasn't happened yet then I doubt it will.

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post - I agree with every single point you&#8217;ve made.</p>
<p>I was very disappointed to see scaffold removed and replaced with a &#8220;generate scaffold&#8221; command which adds like 100 files right off the bat.</p>
<p>For a web framework that &#8220;makes web development easy&#8221;, they sure did a good job of frustrating lots of future Rails developers who are just starting.</p>
<p>I would really like to see scaffold added back to official release, but if it hasn&#8217;t happened yet then I doubt it will.</p>
<p>Jason
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