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	<title>Comments on: Loading Startup Applications&#8230; Please Wait&#8230;</title>
	<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9295</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[quote comment="9289"]I found something that you might dig: http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php[/quote]

Heh, I actually blogged about win-get &lt;a href="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/08/13/package-manager-for-windows/" rel="nofollow"&gt;some time ago&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="padding-left: 10px;"><strong>Travis McCrea</strong> said:</span></p>
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I found something that you might dig: <a href="http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php</a></p>
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<p>Heh, I actually blogged about win-get <a href="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/08/13/package-manager-for-windows/" rel="nofollow">some time ago</a>.
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		<title>by: Travis McCrea</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9289</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9289</guid>
					<description>maybe my computer is just wicked fast but i never really have a problem with that...
Although i modded the boot thing for windows so basically its only AVG SpyBot and MSN that loads


I found something that you might dig: http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe my computer is just wicked fast but i never really have a problem with that&#8230;<br />
Although i modded the boot thing for windows so basically its only AVG SpyBot and MSN that loads</p>
<p>I found something that you might dig: <a href="http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php</a>
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		<title>by: vacri</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9072</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9072</guid>
					<description>[quote comment="9067"]This is the very reason why I ran BeOS for nearly five years as my primary desktop.  From flip-the-power-switch to completely-loaded-fully-functional-desktop in 18 seconds. No HDD light flickering after that point. it was in memory, and ready for work. (This was in the days when Windows took several minutes to boot on 486 class hardware.)[/quote]

This was also in the days when windows used to crash with monotonous frequency, so you'd see that several minute bootup time and time again

So I've just got a 'prototype' Shuttle to test before we get a bunch of them for our devs - Core 2 Quad q9450, 4GB RAM, 32-bit Vista Business - and it takes 65 seconds from pressing the power button to seeing the desktop, including 5 seconds of "oh shit, I'm timing this and forgot to be near enough the keyboard to log in". So your BeOS still wins! 

Interestingly the boot process doesn't even start looking at what's on the hard drive until about 19-20 seconds in. 

It's funny - I asked for a machine that can run Vista so I can learn it a bit more intimately before our Service guys start asking me support questions on it. Instead of getting a midrange computer, they gave me this monster. So here I am with the most powerful computer in the building as my permanent desktop, and I use it for email, web browsing, and a little light Officework. It's weird... I feel like a senior manager or an admin temp or something...

&lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; the CAPTCHA is 'win' :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="padding-left: 10px;"><strong>&#8211;jack</strong> said:</span></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9067"><p>
This is the very reason why I ran BeOS for nearly five years as my primary desktop.  From flip-the-power-switch to completely-loaded-fully-functional-desktop in 18 seconds. No HDD light flickering after that point. it was in memory, and ready for work. (This was in the days when Windows took several minutes to boot on 486 class hardware.)</p>
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<p>This was also in the days when windows used to crash with monotonous frequency, so you&#8217;d see that several minute bootup time and time again</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ve just got a &#8216;prototype&#8217; Shuttle to test before we get a bunch of them for our devs - Core 2 Quad q9450, 4GB RAM, 32-bit Vista Business - and it takes 65 seconds from pressing the power button to seeing the desktop, including 5 seconds of &#8220;oh shit, I&#8217;m timing this and forgot to be near enough the keyboard to log in&#8221;. So your BeOS still wins! </p>
<p>Interestingly the boot process doesn&#8217;t even start looking at what&#8217;s on the hard drive until about 19-20 seconds in. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny - I asked for a machine that can run Vista so I can learn it a bit more intimately before our Service guys start asking me support questions on it. Instead of getting a midrange computer, they gave me this monster. So here I am with the most powerful computer in the building as my permanent desktop, and I use it for email, web browsing, and a little light Officework. It&#8217;s weird&#8230; I feel like a senior manager or an admin temp or something&#8230;</p>
<p><i>and</i> the CAPTCHA is &#8216;win&#8217; <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: --jack</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9067</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9067</guid>
					<description>This is the very reason why I ran BeOS for nearly five years as my primary desktop.  From flip-the-power-switch to completely-loaded-fully-functional-desktop in 18 seconds. No HDD light flickering after that point. it was in memory, and ready for work. (This was in the days when Windows took several minutes to boot on 486 class hardware.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the very reason why I ran BeOS for nearly five years as my primary desktop.  From flip-the-power-switch to completely-loaded-fully-functional-desktop in 18 seconds. No HDD light flickering after that point. it was in memory, and ready for work. (This was in the days when Windows took several minutes to boot on 486 class hardware.)
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9047</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9047</guid>
					<description>I have a fever and the only cure is &lt;a href="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2005/07/27/cowbell/" rel="nofollow"&gt;more cowbell&lt;/a&gt;.

:mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a fever and the only cure is <a href="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2005/07/27/cowbell/" rel="nofollow">more cowbell</a>.</p>
<p> <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt="mrgreen" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: Teague</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9046</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9046</guid>
					<description>Clearly the solution is to bombard your system with neutrinos, while extending a tachyon field around it. That should speed things up. That, or more cowbell.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly the solution is to bombard your system with neutrinos, while extending a tachyon field around it. That should speed things up. That, or more cowbell&#8230;..
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9045</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9045</guid>
					<description>[quote post="2445"]Ultimately login-to-desktop is such a minor part of using a computer for most users, I think it’s making a mountain out of a molehill.[/quote]

That's probably true. Then again, the secretaries over here ALWAYS shut down their computers for the night. I mentioned that they could just leave them on so that they don't have to reboot in the morning, and that it's not really bad for the computers to stay on but they didn't believe me. :P

[quote post="2445"]when you typed “inherit”, I think you meant “inherent”.[/quote]

Sigh... I really need a context aware spellcheck. ;)

[quote post="2445"]P.S. When are you going to go on a BSG rant? THAT I could contribute to. D[/quote]

When I finally catch up with the show. I missed like the 4 last episodes and I need to watch them before I can get back into the BSG topic. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/"><p>
Ultimately login-to-desktop is such a minor part of using a computer for most users, I think it’s making a mountain out of a molehill.</p>
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<p>That&#8217;s probably true. Then again, the secretaries over here ALWAYS shut down their computers for the night. I mentioned that they could just leave them on so that they don&#8217;t have to reboot in the morning, and that it&#8217;s not really bad for the computers to stay on but they didn&#8217;t believe me. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt="P" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/"><p>
when you typed “inherit”, I think you meant “inherent”.</p>
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<p>Sigh&#8230; I really need a context aware spellcheck. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/"><p>
P.S. When are you going to go on a BSG rant? THAT I could contribute to. D</p>
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<p>When I finally catch up with the show. I missed like the 4 last episodes and I need to watch them before I can get back into the BSG topic. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt="(" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: Teague</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9044</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As usual, I have nothing to add to the technical discussion, so I am limited to pointing out that when you typed "inherit", I think you meant "inherent". ;)

P.S. When are you going to go on a BSG rant? THAT I could contribute to. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, I have nothing to add to the technical discussion, so I am limited to pointing out that when you typed &#8220;inherit&#8221;, I think you meant &#8220;inherent&#8221;. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>P.S. When are you going to go on a BSG rant? THAT I could contribute to. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="D" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: vacri</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9043</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I find that time from power-button to login doesn't seem to matter that much (unless it's approaching 10 minutes...), but login-to-desktop is the one people have trouble with.

I think the 'hide the desktop until it's ready' approach is the right one for most users, but for me, I prefer the incremental approach - I know there are certain things I can do while everything loads, and I don't hit the machine if I can't do something because I know it's busy. 

I still think the general answer is 'don't shutdown' :) Suspend, hibernate, leave running... but unless there's a need, don't shutdown. Ultimately login-to-desktop is such a minor part of using a computer for most users, I think it's making a mountain out of a molehill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that time from power-button to login doesn&#8217;t seem to matter that much (unless it&#8217;s approaching 10 minutes&#8230;), but login-to-desktop is the one people have trouble with.</p>
<p>I think the &#8216;hide the desktop until it&#8217;s ready&#8217; approach is the right one for most users, but for me, I prefer the incremental approach - I know there are certain things I can do while everything loads, and I don&#8217;t hit the machine if I can&#8217;t do something because I know it&#8217;s busy. </p>
<p>I still think the general answer is &#8216;don&#8217;t shutdown&#8217; <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />  Suspend, hibernate, leave running&#8230; but unless there&#8217;s a need, don&#8217;t shutdown. Ultimately login-to-desktop is such a minor part of using a computer for most users, I think it&#8217;s making a mountain out of a molehill.
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		<title>by: Starhawk</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/05/13/loading-startup-applications-please-wait/#comment-9042</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In windows and gnome both I use some kind of program that displays system info, cpu usage and stuff. I can tell when every thing is loaded because my cpu calms down. I don't use kde that much but I have also been using the dwm windows manager about 40% of the time in linux, it loads like instantly. (it is only 2000 lines of C code so compiled it is not much).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In windows and gnome both I use some kind of program that displays system info, cpu usage and stuff. I can tell when every thing is loaded because my cpu calms down. I don&#8217;t use kde that much but I have also been using the dwm windows manager about 40% of the time in linux, it loads like instantly. (it is only 2000 lines of C code so compiled it is not much).
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