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	<title>Comments on: File Based or Disk Based Backups?</title>
	<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: jambarama</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9503</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I used to have my desktop &#38; laptop have the password protected NFS shares, my file server would look for them periodically, and backs them up with rsync.  Now I've switched it, it is my file server with password-protected mapped NFS shares &#38; I cron'd an rsync scropt to backup my files from my desktop.  Push rather than pull.  I'm not sure which I like better - push as flexibility of choosing what to backup without having to share the whole disk..  Pull made it much easier to restore a full set of files if my disk went bad.  

I use both disk &#38; file based.  When I setup a box I use DD to make a disk image of the barebones system.  Then after a week or so of using it, customizing it, and installing apps I need, I clean it up &#38; make another DD image.  Then I use file based backup from there on out.  So far every disaster has been quickly solved with - get a new hard drive (if necessary), restore the gzipped disk image, run a reverse version of my rsync script.  Before I had this process down, once the customized disk image was bad, so I had to reinstall from scratch.  Never again, hence two dd files of each system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to have my desktop &amp; laptop have the password protected NFS shares, my file server would look for them periodically, and backs them up with rsync.  Now I&#8217;ve switched it, it is my file server with password-protected mapped NFS shares &amp; I cron&#8217;d an rsync scropt to backup my files from my desktop.  Push rather than pull.  I&#8217;m not sure which I like better - push as flexibility of choosing what to backup without having to share the whole disk..  Pull made it much easier to restore a full set of files if my disk went bad.  </p>
<p>I use both disk &amp; file based.  When I setup a box I use DD to make a disk image of the barebones system.  Then after a week or so of using it, customizing it, and installing apps I need, I clean it up &amp; make another DD image.  Then I use file based backup from there on out.  So far every disaster has been quickly solved with - get a new hard drive (if necessary), restore the gzipped disk image, run a reverse version of my rsync script.  Before I had this process down, once the customized disk image was bad, so I had to reinstall from scratch.  Never again, hence two dd files of each system.
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9482</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[quote post="2532"]all my preferences &#038; settings are backed-up in my head –&gt; best external drive ever![/quote]

Really? I find that my computer is way better at remembering things than my head. In fact, anything that doesn't get classified as "interesting" seems to be confined to a temporary cache  which gets flushed quite often. If I don't write it down, it's gone.  :P</description>
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all my preferences &#038; settings are backed-up in my head –> best external drive ever!</p>
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<p>Really? I find that my computer is way better at remembering things than my head. In fact, anything that doesn&#8217;t get classified as &#8220;interesting&#8221; seems to be confined to a temporary cache  which gets flushed quite often. If I don&#8217;t write it down, it&#8217;s gone.  <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt="P" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: LAYTAH</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9480</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>but if i really need a full back-up, i choose Acronis True Image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if i really need a full back-up, i choose Acronis True Image.
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		<title>by: LAYTAH</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9479</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i just back up my files on an external drive or two (+ on data-dvds for some files)
i like to start from scratch when i get a new pc, so no OS &#38; program files back up (the sofwares i like to use are also backed-up on a dvd)... all my preferences &#38; settings are backed-up in my head --&#62; best external drive ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just back up my files on an external drive or two (+ on data-dvds for some files)<br />
i like to start from scratch when i get a new pc, so no OS &amp; program files back up (the sofwares i like to use are also backed-up on a dvd)&#8230; all my preferences &amp; settings are backed-up in my head &#8211;&gt; best external drive ever!
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		<title>by: Travis McCrea</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9478</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I backup most of my files onto my hosting accounts.

I backup all my emails by having every one of my email accounts pointing at my teamcoltra(.at.)gmail.com account. When i reply they seem to come from geeksparadox.com.

Then all those emails get downloaded via pop onto my other email address that is hosted on a "secret" domain which is set on the google apps engine which then captures all the emails and archives them. This way if I ever have to delete all my emails or some punk gets on and deletes my emails -&#62; I don't lose everything important. 

I USED to have a very VERY complex backup system which would backup files based on date then month then year. However, when my harddrive crashed I decided not to do it again... out of how hard it was to maintain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I backup most of my files onto my hosting accounts.</p>
<p>I backup all my emails by having every one of my email accounts pointing at my teamcoltra(.at.)gmail.com account. When i reply they seem to come from geeksparadox.com.</p>
<p>Then all those emails get downloaded via pop onto my other email address that is hosted on a &#8220;secret&#8221; domain which is set on the google apps engine which then captures all the emails and archives them. This way if I ever have to delete all my emails or some punk gets on and deletes my emails -&gt; I don&#8217;t lose everything important. </p>
<p>I USED to have a very VERY complex backup system which would backup files based on date then month then year. However, when my harddrive crashed I decided not to do it again&#8230; out of how hard it was to maintain.
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		<title>by: ST/op</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9475</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't do backups, since all my stuff is now on the cloud :-)

...partly kidding! But hey, ain't that the way to go, after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t do backups, since all my stuff is now on the cloud <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt="-)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>&#8230;partly kidding! But hey, ain&#8217;t that the way to go, after all?
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9471</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting. It seems that backups are very personal thing and everyone does them differently. :P

At work we use Veritas on the Win2k3 servers and backup to tape on a nightly basis. It is actually quite reliable. Tapes are relatively cheap (drives are super expensive though) and the process is actually pretty fast. But that solution is naturally impractical unless you are ok with shelling out $2k for a tape drive :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. It seems that backups are very personal thing and everyone does them differently. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt="P" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>At work we use Veritas on the Win2k3 servers and backup to tape on a nightly basis. It is actually quite reliable. Tapes are relatively cheap (drives are super expensive though) and the process is actually pretty fast. But that solution is naturally impractical unless you are ok with shelling out $2k for a tape drive <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt="P" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: Zack</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9468</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[quote comment="9461"]On the windows side, I use &lt;a href="http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Acronis True Image&lt;/a&gt;.[/quote]
This was what I was going to say.  Acronis True Image &#62; Ghost in every facet!  It's faster, less problems and I have never had a corrupted image before.  I have a 1 TB drive for backups and I do nightly incremental backups and weekly full system backup.  I keep them seperate.  So technically I have two full images of my system, and worst case scenario, one is a week old.  If I just want to back up files I use SyncBackSE.  I use it to backup just my files to my server in my office via FTP.  It's fast and works well.  It scans the destination and the source and then only uploads what has changed...all automatically.  Again, I do this every night.  This is typically what I recommend for my customers as well...one of these things, or both.  But Acronis is so great, I usually just do full system backups.  It can backup 50GB entire drive, while in Windows in about 15-20 minutes easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="padding-left: 10px;"><strong>Vurlix</strong> said:</span></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9461"><p>
On the windows side, I use <a href="http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/" rel="nofollow">Acronis True Image</a>.</p>
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<p>This was what I was going to say.  Acronis True Image &gt; Ghost in every facet!  It&#8217;s faster, less problems and I have never had a corrupted image before.  I have a 1 TB drive for backups and I do nightly incremental backups and weekly full system backup.  I keep them seperate.  So technically I have two full images of my system, and worst case scenario, one is a week old.  If I just want to back up files I use SyncBackSE.  I use it to backup just my files to my server in my office via <a href="http://FTP." rel="nofollow">FTP.</a>  It&#8217;s fast and works well.  It scans the destination and the source and then only uploads what has changed&#8230;all automatically.  Again, I do this every night.  This is typically what I recommend for my customers as well&#8230;one of these things, or both.  But Acronis is so great, I usually just do full system backups.  It can backup 50GB entire drive, while in Windows in about 15-20 minutes easy.
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		<title>by: dawgit / D.Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9467</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Personaly I use both general File (as in duplictes) and disk based back-ups.  I do this for both Linux ans Windows systems. Why both? While a disk based back-up (wither you prefer the built ins or add ons is your personal choice) is good for a general restore or rebuild if your OS software craps out on you, you're screwed if the Hardware had to change. (This due to the acuall hardware settings and drivers will de different. Quite often the good, but old OS back-up, won't work on the 'new' computer.) The files however are what is important. By having a copy of them handy they can be acessed (from another computer) even if the original computer went up in flames. And quickly too. Just extra insurance I guess. That's the way I say I do it anyway. I need to listen to my self and do it more often though. -d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personaly I use both general File (as in duplictes) and disk based back-ups.  I do this for both Linux ans Windows systems. Why both? While a disk based back-up (wither you prefer the built ins or add ons is your personal choice) is good for a general restore or rebuild if your OS software craps out on you, you&#8217;re screwed if the Hardware had to change. (This due to the acuall hardware settings and drivers will de different. Quite often the good, but old OS back-up, won&#8217;t work on the &#8216;new&#8217; computer.) The files however are what is important. By having a copy of them handy they can be acessed (from another computer) even if the original computer went up in flames. And quickly too. Just extra insurance I guess. That&#8217;s the way I say I do it anyway. I need to listen to my self and do it more often though. -d
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		<title>by: Gothmog</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/06/23/file-based-or-disk-based-backups/#comment-9466</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have a linux system with three 80GB SATA drives in a software RAID5 where I store important info like family photos and so forth.  I'm using mozy to back up my windoze laptops (mine and the wifes) on a weekly basis. It seems to work reasonably well...  of course I haven't had a failure &lt;em&gt;yet&lt;/em&gt;.
*knocks wood*  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a linux system with three 80GB SATA drives in a software RAID5 where I store important info like family photos and so forth.  I&#8217;m using mozy to back up my windoze laptops (mine and the wifes) on a weekly basis. It seems to work reasonably well&#8230;  of course I haven&#8217;t had a failure <em>yet</em>.<br />
*knocks wood*  <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="D" class="wp-smiley" />
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