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	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9631</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, it broke but got fixed the same day. There were like 3 lines in the code that were crashing the damn thing. Someone figured it out in the forums, I commented them out and it was all good.

Later that night I noticed a new "alpha" release on he Quest Helper site. I downloaded it, did a diff with my current folder and they were identical. The author apparently just commented the same 3 lines. :P

Thanks for the tips. I will definitely check these out. I really haven't noticed the memory usage of Quest Helper but a leaner solution sounds good. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it broke but got fixed the same day. There were like 3 lines in the code that were crashing the damn thing. Someone figured it out in the forums, I commented them out and it was all good.</p>
<p>Later that night I noticed a new &#8220;alpha&#8221; release on he Quest Helper site. I downloaded it, did a diff with my current folder and they were identical. The author apparently just commented the same 3 lines. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt="P" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the tips. I will definitely check these out. I really haven&#8217;t noticed the memory usage of Quest Helper but a leaner solution sounds good. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: Tummblr</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9630</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9630</guid>
					<description>Here's a review of TourGuide, just posted today coincidentally.
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/16/addon-spotlight-tourguide/

AFAIK, QuestHelper is borked now?  Also, it just gives you waypoints of quests you picked up, but it doesn't actually give you any guidance on what sequence of quests you should do.  TourGuide gives you the waypoints, but also has human-crafted questing guides to save you time and effort when questing.  Also, full disclosure, I'm a huge fanboy of Tekkub's minimalistic mods.  http://www.tekkub.net/

LightHeaded displays comments posted on Wowhead in your quest log, so you can find tips, coordinates, etc. in-game without tabbing out and loading your browser.

TomTom handles coodinates and waypoints.  You can doubleclick on coordinates in LightHeaded and have them show up as a big arrow on your screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a review of TourGuide, just posted today coincidentally.<br />
<a href="http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/16/addon-spotlight-tourguide/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/16/addon-spotlight-tourguide/</a></p>
<p>AFAIK, QuestHelper is borked now?  Also, it just gives you waypoints of quests you picked up, but it doesn&#8217;t actually give you any guidance on what sequence of quests you should do.  TourGuide gives you the waypoints, but also has human-crafted questing guides to save you time and effort when questing.  Also, full disclosure, I&#8217;m a huge fanboy of Tekkub&#8217;s minimalistic mods.  <a href="http://www.tekkub.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tekkub.net/</a></p>
<p>LightHeaded displays comments posted on Wowhead in your quest log, so you can find tips, coordinates, etc. in-game without tabbing out and loading your browser.</p>
<p>TomTom handles coodinates and waypoints.  You can doubleclick on coordinates in LightHeaded and have them show up as a big arrow on your screen.
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9628</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9628</guid>
					<description>Heh... It must be that new WPSpamFree plugin or something. I will look these up, but how are they better than QuestHelper? I mean in general?

Fubar looks interesting especially since Titan seems to be b0rken now. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh&#8230; It must be that new WPSpamFree plugin or something. I will look these up, but how are they better than QuestHelper? I mean in general?</p>
<p>Fubar looks interesting especially since Titan seems to be b0rken now. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />
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		<title>by: Tummblr</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9627</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9627</guid>
					<description>Check out TourGuide, TomTom and LightHeaded instead of the notoriously bloated QuestHelper.
EDIT: I tried to link to all these addons, but your blog said I was spamming.  Awesome.  Go search for them on wowinterface.com.

Also consider &lt;a href="http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4571-FuBar3.0.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;FuBar&lt;/a&gt; to replace Titan.

For useful and generally well-written AddOns of all sorts, you might want to check out the &lt;a href="http://www.wowace.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;WowAce&lt;/a&gt; forums and wiki.  You'll also find a lot of programmer types hanging around there (as well as the typical clueless users).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out TourGuide, TomTom and LightHeaded instead of the notoriously bloated QuestHelper.<br />
EDIT: I tried to link to all these addons, but your blog said I was spamming.  Awesome.  Go search for them on wowinterface.com.</p>
<p>Also consider <a href="http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4571-FuBar3.0.html" rel="nofollow">FuBar</a> to replace Titan.</p>
<p>For useful and generally well-written AddOns of all sorts, you might want to check out the <a href="http://www.wowace.com/" rel="nofollow">WowAce</a> forums and wiki.  You&#8217;ll also find a lot of programmer types hanging around there (as well as the typical clueless users).
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9614</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9614</guid>
					<description>Yeah, Quest Helper got broken same day as I posted this. Too funny.

Fortunately the author posted an update on curse.com at some point late last night which was very nice. It is working again as we speak. :)

As for Titan, yeah I got the same thing. I did not consider contacting Blizzard about this because:

1. It is a 3rd party add-in and thus unsupported
2. Their support kinda sucks anyway

I'll be checking Titan page for an update. It is likely they will patch it. 

I also noticed that they added a real-time clock just below the mini map, and a feature to track your bag space. So it seems they do sometimes incorporate features from the most popular adons into their product. :)

Also, good tip about the coordinates. This is sort of what I used to do in Morrowind. :) Still, the Quest Helper "arrow" is so much more convenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Quest Helper got broken same day as I posted this. Too funny.</p>
<p>Fortunately the author posted an update on curse.com at some point late last night which was very nice. It is working again as we speak. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>As for Titan, yeah I got the same thing. I did not consider contacting Blizzard about this because:</p>
<p>1. It is a 3rd party add-in and thus unsupported<br />
2. Their support kinda sucks anyway</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be checking Titan page for an update. It is likely they will patch it. </p>
<p>I also noticed that they added a real-time clock just below the mini map, and a feature to track your bag space. So it seems they do sometimes incorporate features from the most popular adons into their product. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>Also, good tip about the coordinates. This is sort of what I used to do in Morrowind. <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />  Still, the Quest Helper &#8220;arrow&#8221; is so much more convenient.
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		<title>by: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9613</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9613</guid>
					<description>Well, not sure about huntard specific addons, but you can check out www.curse.com...this site has a pile of addons and usually the latest.  Also, I heard that QuestHelper might have been pooched last maintenance (yesterday) and I know that the Titan bar is (now there's a bar at the top of my screen that says I have an in-game ticket open with them...and I don't.  I did create a ticket and they said the problem was with Titan.  Their solution:  remove the addon by deleting it from the Interface directory, then REBOOT MY PC :)  too funny.  

Um...I think I can just disable the addon from my login screen...no?  No need to reboot.  Lol...some support, eh?

If QuestHelper is indeed screwed, you can always go to www.thottbot.com...you can find info on quests there.

Do you use Cartographer for the coordinates?  That's a good idea, since Thottbot uses them to indicate quest locations, etc.  If not, you can create a simple macro:

/script px,py=GetPlayerMapPosition("player")
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(format("[ %s ] %i , %i",GetZoneText(),px*100,py*100));

Drag the macro icon to one of your bars and voila...click it and you will see the coords...easy :)  No addon required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not sure about huntard specific addons, but you can check out <a href="http://www.curse.com&#8230;this" rel="nofollow">www.curse.com&#8230;this</a> site has a pile of addons and usually the latest.  Also, I heard that QuestHelper might have been pooched last maintenance (yesterday) and I know that the Titan bar is (now there&#8217;s a bar at the top of my screen that says I have an in-game ticket open with them&#8230;and I don&#8217;t.  I did create a ticket and they said the problem was with Titan.  Their solution:  remove the addon by deleting it from the Interface directory, then REBOOT MY PC <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />   too funny.  </p>
<p>Um&#8230;I think I can just disable the addon from my login screen&#8230;no?  No need to reboot.  Lol&#8230;some support, eh?</p>
<p>If QuestHelper is indeed screwed, you can always go to <a href="http://www.thottbot.com&#8230;you" rel="nofollow">www.thottbot.com&#8230;you</a> can find info on quests there.</p>
<p>Do you use Cartographer for the coordinates?  That&#8217;s a good idea, since Thottbot uses them to indicate quest locations, etc.  If not, you can create a simple macro:</p>
<p>/script px,py=GetPlayerMapPosition(&#8221;player&#8221;)<br />
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(format(&#8221;[ %s ] %i , %i&#8221;,GetZoneText(),px*100,py*100));</p>
<p>Drag the macro icon to one of your bars and voila&#8230;click it and you will see the coords&#8230;easy <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />   No addon required.
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		<title>by: Luke Maciak</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9611</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9611</guid>
					<description>Any class specific stuff for the Huntard? ;)

I will check Omen out. It sounds useful, even for solo stuff - maybe I can see when I'm about to aggro monsters off my pet onto me.

Quest Helper is incredibly useful if you are easily annoyed by vague quest directions and aimlessly wandering around a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any class specific stuff for the Huntard? <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>I will check Omen out. It sounds useful, even for solo stuff - maybe I can see when I&#8217;m about to aggro monsters off my pet onto me.</p>
<p>Quest Helper is incredibly useful if you are easily annoyed by vague quest directions and aimlessly wandering around a lot.
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		<title>by: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9609</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/07/15/wow-ui-add-ins/#comment-9609</guid>
					<description>Well, you can change what "action bars" are available in the non-modded WoW GUI - I have four bars...two on the right hand side of my screen going vertically, and two at the bottom (with a third there tucked under the first - for things that are done while NOT in battle).  So, not sure if you need Bartender.

Later on, once you start raiding in a guild, you should get things like CTRaidAssist, Omen Threatmeter, and Recount.  The first allows you to easily see everyone in your raid, the second calculates the relative threat level you are at (which is really, really important for heavy DPS classes like Warlocks...once we get threat, if we don't get rid of it, we are usually dead), and the last gives you an overview of how much damage you are doing relative to your raid (it also can show healing done, damage taken, DPS, etc.)

I also use something called KAOS which allows me to configure my addons without constantly trying to remember what the command line is.

Titan is great, I use that...never tried Quest Helper....

There are also class-specific addons (like Necrosis and Lylock for Warlocks).

Other good ones:  Atlas and Atlasloot enhanced (the first gives you maps of the dungeons/instances, the latter the kind of drops the mobs will give in those instances), DeadlyBossMods (really important in instances), and Gatherer (if you are an Herbalist or Miner - really cool addon that remembers where you mined/picked something and can show a HUD of where those items were so you can repick them :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you can change what &#8220;action bars&#8221; are available in the non-modded WoW GUI - I have four bars&#8230;two on the right hand side of my screen going vertically, and two at the bottom (with a third there tucked under the first - for things that are done while NOT in battle).  So, not sure if you need Bartender.</p>
<p>Later on, once you start raiding in a guild, you should get things like CTRaidAssist, Omen Threatmeter, and Recount.  The first allows you to easily see everyone in your raid, the second calculates the relative threat level you are at (which is really, really important for heavy DPS classes like Warlocks&#8230;once we get threat, if we don&#8217;t get rid of it, we are usually dead), and the last gives you an overview of how much damage you are doing relative to your raid (it also can show healing done, damage taken, DPS, etc.)</p>
<p>I also use something called KAOS which allows me to configure my addons without constantly trying to remember what the command line is.</p>
<p>Titan is great, I use that&#8230;never tried Quest Helper&#8230;.</p>
<p>There are also class-specific addons (like Necrosis and Lylock for Warlocks).</p>
<p>Other good ones:  Atlas and Atlasloot enhanced (the first gives you maps of the dungeons/instances, the latter the kind of drops the mobs will give in those instances), DeadlyBossMods (really important in instances), and Gatherer (if you are an Herbalist or Miner - really cool addon that remembers where you mined/picked something and can show a HUD of where those items were so you can repick them <img src="http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=")" class="wp-smiley" />  )
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