Comments on: Gibsonian Concept of Cyberspace is Silly and Outdated http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/ Utterly random, incoherent and disjointed rants and ramblings... Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:07:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10163 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:54:21 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10163 @<a href="#comment-10161" rel="nofollow">Tanja</a>: Yeah, I actually liked the Minority Report UI. It was cool, but at no point it gave it's users some magical hacking abilities. @Tanja: Yeah, I actually liked the Minority Report UI. It was cool, but at no point it gave it’s users some magical hacking abilities.

]]> by: Tanja http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10161 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:39:15 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10161 I haven't seen it in a while, but from what I remember 'Minority Report' had a pretty nice UI. Tom Cruise would literally grab files and put them next to eachother, toss some out, flip through others, all with his hands and not with a mouse. I liked that, but don't know if we'll ever get that. I haven’t seen it in a while, but from what I remember ‘Minority Report’ had a pretty nice UI. Tom Cruise would literally grab files and put them next to eachother, toss some out, flip through others, all with his hands and not with a mouse.
I liked that, but don’t know if we’ll ever get that.

]]> by: travis mccrea http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10127 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:32:19 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10127 Mobile Plugin... Twitterverse just gave me devunity and I still think all and all this is the future... Us creating our sites and a merge... Instead of going to different websites they will eventally be one page and it all comes to that... Like plaxio meets wiki... Everything all at your fingers. However that will eventually become boringand you still have to physically go to your computer... In the future the network will be around us at all times and we will superimpose virtua on top of reality... And it's not that far off or crazy. We will be the ones all constantly flowing information to eachother... We all want to say bills diner was great but pricy for the next guy... We just don't all knowthe same sites or check them which is why we will also have more standards.. I wish we already did ->I would love to always have my google cal talking with my other calendars Mobile Plugin…

Twitterverse just gave me devunity and I still think all and all this is the future… Us creating our sites and a merge… Instead of going to different websites they will eventally be one page and it all comes to that… Like plaxio meets wiki… Everything all at your fingers. However that will eventually become boringand you still have to physically go to your computer… In the future the network will be around us at all times and we will superimpose virtua on top of reality… And it’s not that far off or crazy. We will be the ones all constantly flowing information to eachother… We all want to say bills diner was great but pricy for the next guy… We just don’t all knowthe same sites or check them which is why we will also have more standards.. I wish we already did ->I would love to always have my google cal talking with my other calendars

]]> by: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10124 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:13:42 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10124 @<a href="#comment-10121" rel="nofollow">BobCFC</a> and @<a href="#comment-10123" rel="nofollow">feeshy</a>: I believe that this happens when you use a firefox package which came from some of the backports repositories or the generic linux binary from Mozilla. To "fix" this try to add few keys to your about:config. This is what I have there right now: general.useragent.vendor: Ubuntu general.useragent.vendorComment: gutsy general.useragent.vendorSub: 7.10 If you are running hardy simply adjust for your release. @BobCFC and @feeshy: I believe that this happens when you use a firefox package which came from some of the backports repositories or the generic linux binary from Mozilla.

To “fix” this try to add few keys to your about:config. This is what I have there right now:

general.useragent.vendor: Ubuntu
general.useragent.vendorComment: gutsy
general.useragent.vendorSub: 7.10

If you are running hardy simply adjust for your release.

]]> by: feeshy http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10123 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:07:33 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10123 @BobCFC I get that too and I'm using Ubuntu32 @BobCFC

I get that too and I’m using Ubuntu32

]]> by: feeshy http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10122 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:06:21 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10122 The picture you included reminded me of the hacking minigame in the original System Shock. Now thats a Cyberspace representation I can live with :) The picture you included reminded me of the hacking minigame in the original System Shock. Now thats a Cyberspace representation I can live with )

]]> by: BobCFC http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10121 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:31:10 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10121 RE: text search The google juice is a fair comment. Hopefully in the next ten years google will be able to search the content of video too, especially the voice part. Just recently the new version Picassa web albums has facial recognition for automatic tagging. Next step search. ps why does my post say Linux instead of Ubuntu? is it because I am x86_64? RE: text search

The google juice is a fair comment. Hopefully in the next ten years google will be able to search the content of video too, especially the voice part.

Just recently the new version Picassa web albums has facial recognition for automatic tagging. Next step search.

ps why does my post say Linux instead of Ubuntu? is it because I am x86_64?

]]> by: James Heaver http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10118 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:48:32 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10118 I think that there will be a spatial element to the future web, however this won't be a physical representation. I'm absolutely with you with the HUD idea, and think that the future of computing is going to move back to rich-CLI such as ubiquity, quicksilver et al The UI is going to fade away, rather than become more pronounced such as with VR. People are not interested in the interface, your purpose isn't interface - your purpose is the information displayed. Future interfaces will get in your way less and ultimately - as in your HUD - all you will have left is information. I think that the spatial element will come in the form of a Zooming User Interface - but zooming through a space constructed purely for you, not zooming through the structure of web8.0. You are right - information will come to you, we already pull information to us, and this is only going to get better. CLI is a far more intuitive and linear interaction, the real missing piece of the puzzle is that of focus - how to tell the computer what bit of information to act upon. With a HUD system, this would presumably become trivial and this will really allow linear computer interfaces to flourish. I think that there will be a spatial element to the future web, however this won’t be a physical representation.

I’m absolutely with you with the HUD idea, and think that the future of computing is going to move back to rich-CLI such as ubiquity, quicksilver et al

The UI is going to fade away, rather than become more pronounced such as with VR.

People are not interested in the interface, your purpose isn’t interface - your purpose is the information displayed. Future interfaces will get in your way less and ultimately - as in your HUD - all you will have left is information.

I think that the spatial element will come in the form of a Zooming User Interface - but zooming through a space constructed purely for you, not zooming through the structure of web8.0. You are right - information will come to you, we already pull information to us, and this is only going to get better.

CLI is a far more intuitive and linear interaction, the real missing piece of the puzzle is that of focus - how to tell the computer what bit of information to act upon. With a HUD system, this would presumably become trivial and this will really allow linear computer interfaces to flourish.

]]> by: travis mccrea http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10115 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:26:21 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10115 you need the mobile plugin. Net force is an awesome read although it does use the vr vision of the web not wireless. It's very well explained and I think a vr interweb would be much more successful. If I need a quick stat I can fire up my iPhone, if I want to learn about golf what better than to 'go' to a course and learn than take a trip to the manufactures. Wikipedia for the iPhone only goes so far (although its my new favorite toy...hitch hikers guide)... Sometimes you have to be there and with the success of "there" and "second life" it's needless to say that's what the people want. you need the mobile plugin.
Net force is an awesome read although it does use the vr vision of the web not wireless. It’s very well explained and I think a vr interweb would be much more successful. If I need a quick stat I can fire up my iPhone, if I want to learn about golf what better than to ‘go’ to a course and learn than take a trip to the manufactures. Wikipedia for the iPhone only goes so far (although its my new favorite toy…hitch hikers guide)… Sometimes you have to be there and with the success of “there” and “second life” it’s needless to say that’s what the people want.

]]> by: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10114 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:23:50 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/08/gibsonian-concept-of-cyberspace-is-silly-and-outdated/#comment-10114 @<a href="#comment-10110" rel="nofollow">Travis McCrea</a>: I haven't read Net Force - which type of net is it? Is it the one where you fly around in some abstract information plane, or the one where you are connected wirelesly at all times? @<a href="#comment-10113" rel="nofollow">BobCFC</a>: True, stuff like tutorials can be better as screencasts. But then again, tutorial is something you want to go through from the begging to the end. Text is just faster for immediate lookup stuff - when you want to find something really fast, you don't want a video or audio source. Let's say you have an hour to kill and you want to learn how to install and configure Apache. A video tutorial would be a perfect place to start. On the other hand, if you already know Apache but you just want to quickly look up information how to for example do simple redirects using .htaccess files then you want text and nothing but text because: 1. you can scan through it really quickly, and more accurately than through a video 2. you can use a textual search for specific key words 3. you can copy and paste the configuration or code snippets from the page to avoid mistakes @Travis McCrea: I haven’t read Net Force - which type of net is it? Is it the one where you fly around in some abstract information plane, or the one where you are connected wirelesly at all times?

@BobCFC: True, stuff like tutorials can be better as screencasts. But then again, tutorial is something you want to go through from the begging to the end. Text is just faster for immediate lookup stuff - when you want to find something really fast, you don’t want a video or audio source.

Let’s say you have an hour to kill and you want to learn how to install and configure Apache. A video tutorial would be a perfect place to start.

On the other hand, if you already know Apache but you just want to quickly look up information how to for example do simple redirects using .htaccess files then you want text and nothing but text because:

1. you can scan through it really quickly, and more accurately than through a video
2. you can use a textual search for specific key words
3. you can copy and paste the configuration or code snippets from the page to avoid mistakes

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