its got to make sense give you 2 reasons.

1. when desmond predicted about penny droping in on the island he was going to allow charlie to actually get shot in the throat just so he could see his beloved penny.

but his morals got the best of him and changed the future by saving him. this changed something and charlie didn’t die or get hit like his preminition this then means he’s not forseen the future as it changed so with it changing everything else cannot fall into place.

Instead of penny droping into the island niaomi did.
this was because he changed the future charlie didn’t get hit.

2. reason why it’s right.

Charile asked desmond twice the same question if i do exactly what you say flick the switch and die… your deffentely sure you seen claire and the baby get rescued which desmond answered yes.

So he knew right there and then if he changed something claire and baby wouldn’t get rescued as desmond told charlie in past episodes every time he tries to save him he changes the future and it’s inevitable.

so charlie knows he’s going to die anyway + he knows claire gets rescued.

And the guy in the coffin is not any member of the island that news paper
report actually read something totally different to what your all thinking.

this is what the paper jack rips of says

“The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim’s loft.

Concerned for tenants’ safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening.”

the guy who he is talking about was the original designer of the looking glass stations he was the guy who built them :)

and with him dead he has no way of contacting him to find out locations.

[quote comment=”4657″]Next why didn’t charlie swim out the window or get out the door. that is easy don’t forget he was told he was going to die remember when charlie got shot in the throat in the preminition well when it
finally happened exactly as desmond predicted it changed something. so charlie knew if he got out alive everything would change and people would not get rescued as desmond for-seen.[/quote]

Ok, I’ll buy that. It kinda makes sense.

This show is so full of “mindfucks” that I’m not taking Jack’s flash-forward literally. Maybe it’s his FEAR of what could happen: that Locke and Ben are right; this island is special and they don’t realize they can have it better there than back in the “real world.”

I think that Jack’s so drunk and out of it that he’s talking about his father as though he were alive.

My first guess on the funeral is Sawyer. Eventually he’d break Kate’s heart and betray anyone who befriended him (keeping with his conman personality) and no one would go to his funeral. So that’s why Kate says Why would I go? to Jack.

Jack is such a likable character that no one would want to see him end up like this so I really hope it a red herring!

nah he wasn’t being crazy jack as he also had a perscription from his father which they actually showed when the desk girl said sorry you can’t use other peoples names for perscriptions.

now the point i dont get is … jack was flying back with his dead father
in the first season, then somehow the father appeared on the island also
so did the coffin, now if you remember locks father appeared on island too.
how the hell did he get there so that must mean jacks father was actually
alive when he seen him in season 1.

The island is backwards people who visits the island sick gets healed.
but when people leave or make life on the island they both die.

so everyone is dying because they left the island that is why jack
is trying so hard to get back and now he can’t because ben died.
ben was in the coffin and ben was the only guy to know how to get
onto or back to the island.

If you look at the coffin episode part you’ll notice the book on table.
thats the book/diary ben had or his daughter had in the 2nd series.

what i dont understand is the name of the funeral parlor.
its an anogram for “Flash forward” if you work it out :)

Next why didn’t charlie swim out the window or get out the door.
that is easy don’t forget he was told he was going to die remember
when charlie got shot in the throat in the preminition well when it
finally happened exactly as desmond predicted it changed something.
so charlie knew if he got out alive everything would change and
people would not get rescued as desmond for-seen.

As for penny knowing the location that was explained at end of s1/s2
they found the electrical pulse and locked onto the signal.

I also have no guesses as to who’s in the coffin. I think the whole rescue/off the island flashback might have been something Desmond saw and now he has to find a way to reactivate the jamming device, at least it makes more sense than anything. As for penny having the frequency or whatever, it looked like she was in her fathers office, so she probably has whatever knowledge he imparted to her, which could be a lot. In anycase that was a pretty crazy episode, mindfuck indeed.

Saw the season finale two days ago and I agree on just about every point (you also raised some I hadn’t noticed, like what the Temple is and how Penny had that frequency)

Although I’m sure I remember there being stuff about Penny using a lot of resources in searching for Desmond, its not that impossible that she could have found the place (and the frequency) although that she just happened to be sat there when Charlie pulled the switch was kinda crazy

Charlie not swimming out of the window bugged me too (same goes for Desmond trying to break the other window – how dumb can you be, really. My rationalisation of it was that he had the time and lung capacity to either get out of the station or show Desmond the writing on his hand, and since he was sure he was fated to drown, and couldn’t be certain of surviving the swim (some friend of Mr. Grenade might be lurking) he decided to go with what he did.

I’m inclined to believe Ben with his stuff about the Island being under attack and that Naomi’s organisation (whoever they are) aren’t going to be anything good, especially since Locke was clearly on a mission to stop them coming (as handed down by Walt/The Smoke Monster/The Island)

The major mind-fuck, which I seem to have left ’til last, was the scenes with bearded-Jack. Who’s in the coffin, who’s Kate getting back to and etc. (I briefly wondered if the funeral was Sawyer’s – probably no-one in the real world would have shown up and maybe he has yet to betray Kate/the group in some big way, but then who is Kate saying she has to get back to?)

I doubt that it’s Locke in the coffin – I don’t think he would agree to leave the Island if you grabbed him by all 4 limbs and tossed him into a helicopter, but Ben or Juliet would kinda make sense (although Juliet has a sister so maybe not, Ben doesn’t have such connections though)

As for the stuff with Jack’s father.. “We have to go back Kate” makes this very much a post-island time, but Jack’s father died before he got on the plane, so either Jack’s just being delusional (but the head surgeon guy didn’t go “That’s crazy-talk” when Jack told him to go find his father) or Jack’s father is somehow alive again… is re-animating corpses within the Island’s healing power?

Having said that, the surgeon guy also didn’t look as if going and finding Jack’s father was particularly possible, maybe he just realised that Jack was delusional and gave him that pitying look instead of contradicting crazy-Jack.

I’m guessing that the people they called aren’t a rescue party, but that they did get rescued at some later date, but with some kind of unfinished business still left on the Island (that maybe they didn’t realise was unfinished)