Comments on: DRM and Offline Gaming PC http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/ I will not fix your computer. Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:34:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.26 By: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10203 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:48:24 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10203

@Tino: That’s pretty much what I’m doing right now. But you are right – more and more games these days need to have network connection for something. No sense fighting it – that’s why my idea was silly. The gaming industry is heading the other way.

I don’t usually have major spyware issues on my machines so having a gaming machine connected to the internet is not such a big deal. It was just a theoretical idea for a foolproof Gaming PC for your living room. You know – one that you could set up for a younger sibling, cousin or your offspring.

The fact that I know how to avoid the bonzi, does not change the fact that someone I would be sharing that machine with would find the damn thing mesmerizing and wouldn’t resist clicking on it. :P

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By: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10202 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:41:34 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10202

@CPU Solutions: No, no, no. You are wrong about the 90% thing. Here is the truth:

The “standard protection features” protect the software from exactly 0% of people. If the game is available on a torrent site on the release day, and anyone can download it for free then all the protection features built into it are basically useless.

There are people who don’t know how to use torrents – that’s true. But these are the people who would buy the game anyway so forcing them to deal with the copy protection features is pointless. The only thing prevented by DRM is casual sharing of the game between the small group of people who don’t know how, or refuse to download.

I will give you an example. I own a legal copy of Half Life 2. My brother one day asked me if he can borrow it. I said sure, but then I remembered that it uses Steam and I was trying to figure out if I can do this without giving him my Steam password, or relinquishing the control of my game. So I stood there explaining this to him, and he was like:

“Dude, that just sounds like too much effort. I’m just gonna download it.”

So there you go – Steam prevented me from giving the game to my brother, but he downloaded a cracked version anyway. It’s probably worth noting that my brother is relatively clueless when it comes to computers. Valve gained nothing in this exchange. Hell they might have lost a client.

Last time I borrowed a game to my brother it was Morrowind. Few months later he came home with his own copy of the game and all the expansions because he was to lazy to burn himself a copy of my CD and he got a good deal for the collectors boxed set.

DRM is a joke because it only inconveniences legitimate customers. Pirates are unaffected by it. So instead of preventing piracy, it drives it.

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By: CPU Solutions http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10201 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:41:00 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10201

It is things like this that really show a negative side to gaming. I agree that the DRM is just was to “involved”, and tends to ruin the gaming experience with games that take it too far.

Companies need to realize that there is a contingent of people who are going to pirate a game no matter what you do. I think more of the thrill for them is defeating the copy protection schemes more than getting a free game.

Putting standard features in place that will protect the software from 90% of the people out there is fine, but a perpetual security check on a game is ridiculous imo.

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By: Tino http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10200 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:54:00 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10200

How about online games? And when you need to search for troubleshooting? Or game hints? etc, etc. Honestly, a ‘no network’ setup seems like going backwards, with or without evil DRM. We could just as well go back and play farm animals with sticks and rocks, and that would also solve the virus and DRM issue.

Since when do people who know what they are doing need software firewalls and antivirus? Just place the box behind a well-configured consumer NAT router, don’t read spam email on it, use some sense with Firefox (stay away from warez and teh P0rns, even `ok’ sites may be compromised e.g. by unclean advertisments), install all Win XP updates, and if you can manage, skip the bonzai buddy installation. This will surely be fine enough for a gaming machine.

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By: feeshy http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10199 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:22:22 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10199

I stopped with PC gaming a couple of years back. Spending money on upgrades, fighting with DRM and online activation all left me a little jaded. I’m also a single-player game fan in an increasingly online market.

That said, even though it isn’t DRM free, my Xbox360 has been good to me. It has the most PC-like games catalog and games “just work”. And now that microsoft has fixed the license migration issue, everything works just fine offline.

In some ways I miss PC gaming because you’ll never get certain games e.g. RTS to work properly on a console without a mouse and keyboard. But I’m gone from retail PC gaming forever. I still play roguelikes and the odd DOSBox game, but nothing new.

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By: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10194 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:49:06 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10194

@Steve: Truth! I actually considered putting some money down for an original copy of the spore, but now it is out of question.

@gp: Yeah! Or external usb/firewire drive. Slipped my mind – but it’s pretty much the same thing. You save it, disconnect it, walk over to the other computer and connect it. Faster, but only slightly more convenient.

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By: gp http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10191 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:28:07 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10191

Of course I could download all these patches on another computer, burn them on CD’s and transfer them to the gaming PC but that’s a chore.

there are some thingys called usb pendrives, you know :P

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By: Steve http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10188 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:01:35 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2008/09/16/drm-and-offline-gaming-pc/#comment-10188

Spore is a perfect example of a game I would love to play, but won’t because of the DRM. Too bad, really. I hate being made to feel that I am a pirate, and I refuse to install SecuROM on my PC…period.

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