Comments on: The Most Ancient Form of Compression http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/ I will not fix your computer. Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:34:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.26 By: Mads http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11463 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:30:05 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11463

(sorry, late to the party)

But the real question is: what can we use all this for?
As far as I know, there’s no compression of words to pictures programs out there.

And what about going the other way?
Take an image ( http://tinyurl.com/bg7fy2 ), how do you decompress it to a description of it? If that’s what’s needed, I’m not even sure it is a description that will be decompressed, but some sort of output is needed for sure.

And what about movies? if you need 1000 words for every frame in a movie, it’s gonna be a huge book :)

/Mads

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By: nori http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11382 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:57:39 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11382

hmm.. that actually makes sense.. i think i’m gonna start annoying artists out there with this..

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By: Andrew J. Zimmerman http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11375 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:07:24 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11375

[quote comment=”11373″]Oh, my… How could I put so many grammatical mistakes in so few words?[/quote]

lol.

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By: Alphast http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11373 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:10:58 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11373

Oh, my… How could I put so many grammatical mistakes in so few words?

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By: Alphast http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11372 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:10:18 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11372

Actually, words are indeed an abstraction. But pictures led to writing by compressing small schemas into hyeroglyphs, ideograms, then syllabic or alphabetic characters. These were used to represent words and as such they became a new way to compress data. But words in themselves (a sound = an idea) is no compression, that’s true, just abstraction.

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By: Travis McCrea http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11367 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:50:14 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11367

My turn:

Words are the compressed forms of pictures. Which takes more time: To draw a picture (or even TAKE a picture) of me…. or to just say “Travis” which instantly creates a mental image of me for you to think of? thus “Travis” instantly decompresses the image in mental form without the need of a physical form which you already started out with.

We already compressed the image of a horse into “horse” in our brain, and if he had never seen a horse, he did after he saw the ..erm… mural on the wall… then they established horse was the name of this so there on out, they could remember the shit painting by “horse”.

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By: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11357 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:18:50 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11357

I’ll chime in on the “words are compression too”. No, not really. Words are an abstraction method. You name things and you have a common vocabulary of symbols with attached meanings. They facilitate communication rather than compress it.

Words, and language in it’s simplest form are used for abstracting things and actions.

Horse. Me. Me go! Me go horse! Me ride horse!

After you get sophisticated enough you start using words to abstract more complex ideas such as love, duty, commitment, horse shit and etc. It’s like using closures or macros – you are assigning arbitrary chunks of your verbal code to variables. You are not really compressing – you are abstracting.

And whenever you do that, you need to store the definition of that abstraction somewhere. Like in a dictionary. Each of the complex words has a long definition. When you use that word you are essentially using a pointer to that definition.

Images though, don’t have this problem. They can encapsulate concepts and ideas without the need of abstraction, or referring to a definition.

At lest that’s how I see it. :)

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By: Andrew J. Zimmerman http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11355 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:44:33 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11355

I think it goes both ways.
Words can do things that pictures can’t. (But it’s not equal, pictures win by far.)

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By: Ian Clifton http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11354 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:08:00 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11354

Damnit, Matt` stole my comment :( <— words + picture = major idea compression

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By: astine http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11353 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:09:52 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/01/23/the-most-ancient-form-of-compression/#comment-11353

Believable. Though I remember hearing somewhere that research suggested that it had something to do with recording visions and hallucinations.

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