Comments on: Kubuntu 9.10 Upgrade: Karmic nVidia Failure http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/ I will not fix your computer. Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:34:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.26 By: Andrew Zimmerman http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-17476 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:59:22 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-17476

I find the fact that UNIX variants lacking a Rename function is an inherent dis-functionality. I know Why it doesn’t. And that’s fine. But it’s STUPID!
Who, in 2009/2010/2011 Doesn’t have Rename? Linux. UNIX. BSD. (I think, on the bsd, not sure.. :/

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By: Alexander Vassbotn Røyne http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-14637 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:41:39 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-14637

Thanks for mentioning me in this post! I’ve just started to write again, so stay tuned for more ;)

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By: ST/op http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13625 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:40:28 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13625

Ahmad Yasser wrote:

I will definitely check out whatever GNOME 3 has in store

MrJones2015 wrote:

“make it as shitty as Vista” well its KDE, what did you expect?

OMG! GNOME 3 is going to look like Vista too!
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/09/gnome-3-quick-visual-tour.html

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By: MrJones2015 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13616 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:37:12 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13616

“make it as shitty as Vista” well its KDE, what did you expect?

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By: Ahmad Yasser http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13608 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:45:45 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13608

I actually went the GNOME -> KDE 4 route, but I will definitely check out whatever GNOME 3 has in store :P

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By: Luke Maciak http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13601 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:37:29 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13601

@ Alphast:

To be fair, Windows doesn’t work out of the box either. Let me bring up my experience with old Inspiron 600m laptop here. When I installed Windows XP on the thing it booted in 800×600 resolution with:

– broken video drivers
– no audio
– no ethernet
– no wifi

I tried Ubuntu with the same machine and everything other than wifi worked out of the box, So it really depends.

And this is the first in 4 consecutive upgrades that ended up in such a spectacular fail. Yeah, this system started off as hoary or dapper or something like that – I don’t even remember anymore. :P

@ Stefanie:

I will attest to that. On linux there is usually a way to get a piece of hardware working. In worst case scenario you’ll have to compile something. On windows the drivers are usually there, provided by manufacturer until they are not.

For example, I have a Vista 64 bit box at home that refuses to work with an older Epson scanner. Epson released Vista 32 drivers for this model like a year ago, but they won’t work with the 64 bit version. And no one at Epson cares because it is an old piece of hardware.

Oh, and that one time I had a lovely HP all-in-one-printer driver that decided to take up 100% of CPU time, and refused to let it go until you killed it’s resident process.

copperfish wrote:

“Never, ever, ever install .10 releases. They always suck. Only ever install .04 releases.”

Seriously, I think I should frame this and hang it above my desk so I don’t forget. All the other upgrades were to non .10 versions. :P

@ Ahmad Yasser:

Yeah, we Kubuntu users are second class citizens in Ubuntuland. :P I’m so used to the ‘buntu way of doing things though that I’m not sure I’d be happy on an RPM based system like Mandriva or OpenSUSE. I might just switch to Gnome one day.

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By: Ahmad Yasser http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13599 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:42:27 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13599

The main reason you had this much trouble is because you’re using Kubuntu.
The ONLY, and I mean ONLY usable one out of the three is Ubuntu. The other 2 are jokes IMO, just like Kubuntu and their KDE implementation.
If you really want to try out KDE 4.3, use a REAL KDE distro like Mandriva or OpenSUSE.

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By: copperfish http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13598 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:27:26 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13598

Absolutely no Nvidia issues with a clean install of Ubuntu Karmic on a T61 ThinkPad with exactly the same Quadro 140M hardware. Nvidia mobile hardware drivers suck on Windows and Linux so @Alphast it isn’t purely a Lunix thing. I have far fewer driver issues with a clean Ubuntu install vs. Windows 7.

That said I broke the Ubuntu rule:

“Never, ever, ever install .10 releases. They always suck. Only ever install .04 releases.”

On a clean install on hardware that worked perfectly in Jaunty:

Nautilus hangs regularly (thumbnail related).
Suspend works, but power manager ignores battery vs. plugged in profiles.
Sound was fine in Jaunty, but there are issues with Karmic.

And on and on….when I get the chance it’s a backup and downgrade for me.

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By: Stefanie http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13596 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:53:25 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13596

To be honest, I’ve always had more trouble with drivers under Windows than under Linux. Of course it all depends on the hardware but for me 9.10 felt like a big leap forward. For the first time my eee pc was working out of the box, function keys, suspend and webcam included. Everything just feels much smoother. It’s surprising that there is still trouble with nVidia card, but I guess a clean install would have avoided the problem? Maybe I’m just lucky but upgrading has alwasy been a painless experience for me.

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By: Alphast http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/11/16/kubuntu-9-10-upgrade/#comment-13592 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:47:19 +0000 http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/?p=4333#comment-13592

You know guys, this is the main number 2 reason why Linux won’t be adopted any time soon by the larger public (the number 1 is called video games, but you all knew that). It rarely works fine out of the box (if I may use such a weird expression for online repositories) and practically never upgrade easily. Windows sucks (we all agree here, I suppose), especially Vista. But it works on most hardware. And yes, I know there are hoops of exceptions, fancy hardware and stuff. But it won’t hose your ATI or Nvidia display. At least not on a standard install…

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